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Leo Laporte Makes Fun of Sexual Assault/Harassment Victims

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Update 2: Added more links to the Leo Laporte sexual harassment bulleted list. Let us know in the comments if you find more in our archives.

Update 1: Leo Laporte sexually harassed Stacey Higginbotham in person, just like he planned.

Look out Stacey Higginbotham!

Leo can’t help himself, even with works of art.

Leo Laporte really wants to be relevant. He’ll do anything. He’s even making on-camera references to the #metoo campaign highlighting sexual abuse and harassment of women.

While Robert Scoble fights off allegations of sexual misconduct, Leo Laporte jokes about it.

TWiT Escapee, Sarah Lane

Sarah Lane posted a piece on Medium about the sexual harassment she’s had to endure in the workplace. She didn’t mention the Dark Triangle incident or any others at TWiT by name, but the references are clear.

Luria Petrucci (Cali Lewis) is not surprised, given her history with Leo Laporte.

Shannon Morse — aka Snubs.zip — had to endure this as well. Shannon, please see the note at the end of the post.

Leo Laporte is a disgusting creep enabled by his bride, Lisa Laporte.

So, let’s get this straight: Scoble is an asshole for what he did, but these things are fine for Leo Laporte:

Take in the view, ladies

What is wrong with tech press? Why don’t they cover Leo Laporte like they do Robert Scoble? Is it just that he’s an absolute nobody who isn’t even recognized at tech events in interviews?

This video was graciously provided by an anonymous contributor in the chat room.

We appreciate all your tips for stories.

Shannon, this request is to you, personally. People have been asking you to do it already.

Please, speak out. You are the only one even partially vocal about his true nature. You alone hold the power, and you have nothing to lose by speaking your truth. You know that once you speak out, the others will follow. That is the spirit of #MeToo. We can’t do it; only you can do it.

118 thoughts on “Leo Laporte Makes Fun of Sexual Assault/Harassment Victims”

    1. Stacey sounds like she’s is barely hanging in there sometimes on TwiG, continuously trying to keep the blabbering old guys on topic and keeping it non offensive.

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        2. There is an ancient saying: Pretty girls can do ANYTHING. Ugly girls have to do EVERYTHING.

          Lisa Laporte knows just who and what her meal ticket is, and has traded her ethics for material gain, and is willing to do ANYTHING to continue ‘the lifestyle’.

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    1. <img draggable="false" class="emoji" alt="&#55356;&#57221;&#55356;&#57339;" src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/2.3/svg/1f385-1f3fb.svg"> Santos:
      https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/several-women-accuse-tech-pundit-robert-scoble-of-sexual-harassment/

      Cackle, do these fatties all hang out together?

      “And then, without any more warning, Scoble was on me,” she wrote. “I felt one hand on my breast and his arm reaching around and grabbing my butt. ” In my defense this bitch was asking for it. They all was a piece of the Scoble.

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    1. Like Sublime says “if it wasn’t for date rape I’d never get laid.” Scoble is disgusting inside and out, he can probably only get close to women by assaulting them.

      His own wife is ugly as shit, so…

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  5. Yet another fat gluttonous asshole. This guy is such a social media bitch slut to begin with. The less of him around the better. I dought even bottom feeder twit will eat this excrement.

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      2. Kenneth Woble: “As in, more than 50% of the male bosses I’ve had over my entire career have come onto me. ” ~ Sarah Lane
        …This means that there’s 100% chance Leo came “on to her” and very likely came “on her” andpossibly inside her.

        Sarah is delusional. She’s not nearly as hot as she thinks she is: chipmunk face, bad teeth, bleached blond, etc.

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      3. So my thoughts on Ms Lane’s post …

        She starts off painting men as innate perverts, let’s address that first. Society is flooded with sexual imagery and women use their appearance as a standard part of manipulating men, it’s part of female culture. Boys grow up in this environment, drowning in deliberate sexual cues from the media, film, TV, and real life where women play the game as well – there was a UK female comedian who used the recurring phrase “Does my bum look big in this?”, yes women expect people to check out their backsides and dress accordingly to highlight or diminish their arse. They are not victims they are grown adults and manipulators who use sexuality as a weapon.

        Given this environment inevitably men will have their thoughts warped to a greater or lesser degree – and yes some will turn into raving lunatics like Weinstein. But the vast majority won’t. So are men perverts as she suggests? I’d say most of the issues she highlights are the product of you boys growing up in a highly sexualised environment, good boys, bad environment.

        Then she goes on to paint herself as a victim – no, having an affair with a married man does not make you the victim or innocent. Sorry. Also most of her tech career has been based on being good looking/attractive. I’d suggest she’d never have been on camera if she was 200 pounds, spotty, with buck teeth. This is a common refrain from good looking female hosts – they get their jobs and make their money by being good looking then complain that people lust after them because of their looks. Give me a break – ordinary looking women(or men) who want to be on air will never be given the chance.

        Then we come to the bit that really, really, annoys me. In decades past the only time you heard about mental health issues was in the context of very seriously ill people, people who could not hold down jobs or had to be hospitalised or perhaps lived their whole life in an institution – I have dealt with people like that. But now in 2017 everybody wants to claim they have a mental illness – my boyfriend left me and I want to end it all, I have a mental illness – no, you don’t in the slightest you are a self indulgent whiner.

        I actually like the slightly ditsy cat woman that is Sarah Lane, but she thinks she is fit to judge men when she isn’t, and she thinks she’s had a hard life – not remotely.

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        1. Newbie2020 – Excellent analysis. I had a lot of the same thoughts after reading her post…the mental illness thing really bugged me, too.

          I’ve noticed with many of the “me-too” ladies who have gone public, there seems to be a pattern…they’re generally in their mid-30’s or pushing 40, fair to middling career success (maybe past their prime now), and typically unmarried (perhaps divorced). We have a local news reporter here in Los Angeles who went public after the Weinstein scandal broke…she totally fits that profile, and reminds me a lot of Ms. Lane. The reporter would have never had a job in the business the past several years if it weren’t for her looks…plus she played up a slightly promiscuous, slutty image on social media for years, but is now toning that down in light of her accusations.

          To me, some of these women (not all) are using this as an excuse at this point in their lives in light of their careers, relationships, etc. not panning out like they wanted. Now they have their excuse…with some adding on “mental illness” to their newfouund victimhood.

          IMHO, Ms. Lane has always thought too much of herself…and now that no one else does, she’s come up with an explanation for all her woes.

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          1. The mention of brief suicidal thoughts just once is proof that she’s grasping at anything to be relevant in the tragedy of the day for wimen. We’re supposed to pity her and want to defend her from the mean men! When she’s dreading going to sleep because she doesn’t want to wake up to the torturous shit then maybe I’ll care.

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    2. she posted this before This Week In Tech week of #metoo and day Scoble drama is unignorable

      think Leo says anything?

      CEHoe tweetd that more women need to speak up and come forward after Harvy W disgrace

      somebody tweet this at them for comment

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  7. Is there a lot of evidence of Leo sexually harassing female hosts in the Twit video archives?

    Like saying lots of inappropriate stuff and making them feel uncomfortable?

    Maybe to Sarah Lane? Amber MacArthur? Colleen Kelly? Shannon Morse? Veronica Belmont? Eileen Rivera? Megan Marrone? Becky Worley? Mary Jo Foley? Gina Trapani? Denise Howell? Kiki Sanford? Roz Savage? Cammy Blackstone?

    I guess we already know he sends dick pics to his female CEO. There must be something.

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    1. Poke:
      Is there a lot of evidence of Leo sexually harassing female hosts in the Twit video archives?

      Absolutely. I’ve venture to say a good 40-50% (at least!) of the posts on TD act as an archive of Leo’s harassing behavior.

      Honestly, it took a long time for me to turn against Leo. Even when it became apparent that he was just phoning it in, TWiT was nice to just have on in the background while I was doing other things. Every once in while, they’d say something the piqued my interest. Seeing the constant harassment being documented here really changed my perspective. He’s a predator. Plain and simple.

      What are the odds that Leo is the boss she was thinking about suing? Sexual harassment is difficult to prove in court, so most women don’t speak up because nothing will come from it. But if lawyers told her she could “get rich off” of her boss, that suggests there’s a bunch of evidence – such as a 24/7 live stream, for example? And she also said she was worried that this boss would be able to ruin her career. Kind of like how Leo was actually at the top of tech broadcasting field until CEO took him down a few pegs?

      These types of men make me physically ill.

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      1. I’m a bit the same, Leo genuinely looked like he was trying to bring up young talent giving them a chance show their chops. Now everyone seems mid to late 30’s and “Hosts” are fossils!
        Leo made a major mistake in deciding to not to have a YouTube presence, 2010 onwards young talent weren’t interested in some fat old dude who use to be on some shitty tech tv show in the late 90’s early 00’s.
        Try Before You Buy was the show that highlighted how deaf to the world Leo is. Always so childish and selfish having to review all the new Phones. Like people gave a shit what this fat old fuck who never leaves the house thinks about the new Galaxy or iPhone when he HAD active young people on staff who’d actually use the device. Still treats Jason Howell like this. Always use to hear “I’m going to give this to Jason Howell after I’ve reviewed it”
        Or my other favourite was when a guess comes on TWiT and Leo starts making rain phones! Trying to impress them, meanwhile Staff getting pay peanuts.
        Thanks ya scummy Kent..!

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        2. That’s Awesome:
          The best TWiT ep was when JCD kept referring to her as a bloke, the shit hit the fan that Sunday. Very amusing…

          I saw that too. Tank Grl….Nope and “she” was doing nothing to support her assertion. Be who you’re going to be but if you’re going to dress up like a clown don’t be surprised when you can’t get work which seemed to be a constant problem with this person. That and perhaps a bit too much of the Trans SJW for most people to tolerate. It was hard to take anything said seriously when “she” was on because of it. Becky Worley is openly gay but has no trouble working at ABC for years. So too with Rachel Maddow. Neither of which dress up like a 80’s punk rock clown and expect to be taken seriously. Fine for a punk band bad for TV host.

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    5. As someone who is constantly surprised by his behavior. It is if there are other incidents but more of what episode does not have something that makes someone cringe.

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  12. On DTNS Sara Lane confessed that while at TWIT she preferred to listen to white noise rather than those around her. I really hope that she didn’t sit near Gum and he now he finds out that while he was telling her about banana suit scandals and what not she was listing to radio static.

    Sure, Gum was no Jarvis, but to hear that rather than listen to you folks would rather fill their ears with noise is quite a kick.

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  13. For the information of all, let it be known that after iOS Today of 10/24, the following things were said by Leo and (frankly I don’t know who it is) the other studio guys moving stuff around.

    Guy: Guess who’s coming tomorrow.
    Leo: Who?
    Guy: Stacey.
    Leo: Higginbotham?
    Guy: In studio. Here.
    Leo: She’s not afraid I’ll touch her at all? Inappropriately?
    Guy: Is she bringing in boxing gloves?
    (inaudible) (laughter)
    Leo: That’s great! I always feel like Stacey’s just waiting for me to do something inappropriate.
    Guy: And she’s regularly paid to blow it off.
    Leo: She fully expects me to do something horrific.
    Guy: And you regularly do.
    Leo: I do not!
    Guy: Well, not horrific.
    Leo: Come on. I called her “honey” once. “Baby” or something.
    Guy: Pretty horrific last week.
    Leo: What did I do last week?
    Guy: Hashtag #metoo? Stacey Higginbotham! Hashtag #metoo.
    Leo: What do you mean?
    Guy: You said that.
    Other guy: What is that? Why is that horrific? I don’t get it.
    Leo: No, I asked what the hashtag #metoo was all about.
    Guy: At the end of the show, when we were out and Leo introducing everyone at the end.
    Leo: I said hashtag #metoo?
    Guy: Stacey Higginbotham, hashtag #metoo.
    Leo: I did?
    Guy: You did.
    Leo: That’s pretty bad.
    (laughter)
    Leo: You’re right. That’s not good. Sometimes I think I have Tourette’s Syndrome. I’ll say anything for a laugh. Did she groan?
    Guy: She, uh, facepalming.
    Leo: Oh, facepalming’s good. Facepalm’s fine.

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      1. “I checked in with the organizers after that to make sure I would still be invited again if I broke Robert Scoble’s nose for sexually assaulting me. They said sure.”

        He never assaulted me but every time I see him I want to break his nose. But I’m not a woman either…

        He’s just such a insecure self-centered prick to start with. He’d get into open fights with the chat room almost every time he was on TWIT. You could just see the seething little child burning in his eyes.

        In short, a very punchable face that perhaps needed more folks to actually follow through with it than contemplate it.

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      1. Right? If he kept his mouth shut he would’ve had to lay low for a week or two and then he could’ve resurfaced (see Chris Sacca).

        Instead he goes scorched earth, insinuating the women wanted it, and regardless of whether or not that’s true he’s toast in the tech community.

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        1. Thurrott Legend:
          Right? If he kept his mouth shut he would’ve had to lay low for a week or two and then he could’ve resurfaced (see Chris Sacca).

          Instead he goes scorched earth, insinuating the women wanted it, and regardless of whether or not that’s true he’s toast in the tech community.

          That’s his MO. Thank god for it too because this SOB needs to be put in his place once and for all. He’s needed a reality check for a long time.

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    1. It’s incumbent on those women to the tell the story. We know Sarah and Snubs openly despise him. You’d have to get 5-8 more ex-employees on the record in order to bring him down at Premiere Networks.

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  19. During the pre-stream before TWiG this afternoon, Leo and Padre were talking about viagra prescriptions when Stacey walked in. They kept on going, and going, and Stacey looked enraged. I think if she weren’t at the studio that she’d have left.

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    1. I saw that! Pre-stream before Google show on 10/25/2017. Right as Stacey walked in Leo was talking about how to get a Viagra prescription and she was FUMING.

      Hopefully someone at TD can pull that clip and add it. You know, if we compiled all of the rancid crap from over the years and got a few women to go on the record we could present something to a news outlet that they could pursue/publish.

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    2. Lou:
      During the pre-stream before TWiG this afternoon, Leo and Padre were talking about viagra prescriptions when Stacey walked in. They kept on going, and going, and Stacey looked enraged. I think if she weren’t at the studio that she’d have left.

      Wait…
      What does Padre need or even KNOW about Viagra prescriptions?

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      1. He might need help getting it up. I’m sure he jerks it all the time. Didn’t he tweet about getting some Fleshlights to review for his new site?

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    1. Fashionista:
      Snubs, you had me until you said “dominating the podcast industry.”

      Maybe you could tell her that on twitter instead. In the same Tweet, she accused him of racism but then pointed out he is white.

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  21. Maybe I dreamt this, but didn’t Leo say something inappropriate to another female host when he was working for TV? I could be wrong but I think he said he got in to trouble for it. There’s got to be a video of it somewhere.

    I guess the difference here is that Leo can get away with it at Twit because he’s the boss.

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    1. Poke:
      Maybe I dreamt this, but didn’t Leo say something inappropriate to another female host when he was working for TV? I could be wrong but I think he said he got in to trouble for it. There’s got to be a video of it somewhere.

      Here you go. I’m going to add it to the article. Thanks for reminding me.

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      1. There it is. Thank you Leica Lens.

        Yeah there must have been another clip of Leo talking about this incident. Oh according to one of the comments he talked about it around 2014.

        Well either way he didn’t learn to keep his mouth shut.

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        1. My memory is a little fuzzy but didn’t Kate move on to Extended Play with Adam Sessler after that incident in November of 1999? Or was her transition unrelated to this occurrence.
          As a side note Kate should not have come back to co-host TNSS on TWIT in 2015 (brief cameo) and 2016. It was poor judgement on her part considering Laporte’s continued garbage behavior. What was she thinking? What was her husband thinking? What kind of people are these people?

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          1. Scheckley:
            My memory is a little fuzzy but didn’t Kate move on to Extended Play with Adam Sessler after that incident in November of 1999?Or was her transition unrelated to this occurrence.
            As a side note Kate should not have come back to co-host TNSS on TWIT in 2015 (brief cameo) and 2016. It was poor judgement on her part considering Laporte’s continued garbage behavior.What was she thinking? What was her husband thinking?What kind of people are these people?

            I think she stayed on TSS, bit you sre correct in her going over to Extended Play.

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  24. The people behind TD, Leica Lens in particular, have done a hell of a job compiling this list.

    Ultimately it’s up to the women. I wouldn’t doubt if they’ve conversed amongst themselves about naming names, but until they do we’re stuck. Hopefully Sarah, Snubs, Stacey and others are willing to stand up to Leo. He holds no sway in the tech community anymore. If they wanted to they could end him, and more importantly they could prevent other women from being harassed.

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    1. They do an amazing job. And all the people saving clips and sending in tips too. If they didn’t work so hard on TD, I wouldn’t have known about most of the terrible things that go on with Leo and Twit.

      I don’t know if it’s the same for everyone else, but if you did any of the things Leo has done at my workplace, you’d get in some serious trouble.

      A big thank you to those working behind the scenes at TD.

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      2. Poke:
        They do an amazing job. And all the people saving clips and sending in tips too. If they didn’t work so hard on TD, I wouldn’t have known about most of the terrible things that go on with Leo and Twit.

        I don’t know if it’s the same for everyone else, but if you did any of the things Leo has done at my workplace, you’d get in some serious trouble.

        A big thank you to those working behind the scenes at TD.

        It’s all done by #OneAss

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        1. Rotary: Leo’s such a has-been and his reputation is already so shot that it’s probably just not worth it to them to take a stand against him.

          So sad, because if it comes to tech few had the opportunities he had. His narcissism got to him too early, probably perpetuated by his CEO. He had a front row seat when it comes to the podcast world while tech & tech podcast is booming. Slowly and surely, people are distancing themselves from him. For me it started in 2010 with apple WWDC.

          Having so much perverted things happen on his channel means there is no way back for him. He will forever be known as the pervert tech podcaster. I am sure it is not the legacy he was hoping for.

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    2. Thurrott Legend:
      The people behind TD, Leica Lens in particular,have done a hell of a job compiling this list.

      Ultimately it’s up to the women. I wouldn’t doubt if they’ve conversed amongst themselves about naming names, but until they do we’re stuck. Hopefully Sarah, Snubs, Stacey and others are willing to stand up to Leo. He holds no sway in the tech community anymore. If they wanted to they could end him, and more importantly they could prevent other women from being harassed.

      But it will never happen. He’s said horrible things in the presence of Christina Warren, too, and not one woman has directly called him out on it. If they had backbones, Stacey and Megan would tell him off and never work with him again. But they are too cowardly and masochistic to do so. Hence I don’t feel sorry for them one iota

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      1. Steve: But they are too cowardly and masochistic to do so.

        All it takes is one to step forward and accuse him directly, then everyone else will probably speak up. We’re starting to see the cracks form on this dam. When you’re in a position where someone in power is doing this, you just grit your teeth and bare it because you may not have another option. Once Megan has nothing left to lose, she’ll step up or at least quit.

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        1. Sarah Lane talks a big game. If she had any stones she’d have named Leo in her Medium post.

          And Stacey loves to talk about equality, but when she’s being put in an uncomfortable spot on the TWiG pre-stream she just puts her head in her hands.

          Again, Leo has NO SWAY in the tech community. His podcasts aren’t even that popular anymore. If any of these women, from the lowliest like Megan to the biggest like Sarah wanted to take him down, they could.

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        2. Esch: All it takes is one to step forward and accuse him directly, then everyone else will probably speak up. We’re starting to see the cracks form on this dam. When you’re in a position where someone in power is doing this, you just grit your teeth and bare it because you may not have another option. Once Megan has nothing left to lose, she’ll step up or at least quit.

          Totally agree. Just need one lady to go public and the floodgates would open. I know it’s difficult emotionally for them to go public, but I’d praise whoever did that forever.

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      2. Steve: But it will never happen.He’s said horrible things in the presence of Christina Warren, too, and not one woman has directly called him out on it. If they had backbones, Stacey and Megan would tell him off and never work with him again. But they are too cowardly and masochistic to do so. Hence I don’t feel sorry for them one iota

        Respectfully Steve,

        your example of the skanky ho Filmsy destroyed the validity of your comment (not to mention your cred)

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  25. TWIG this week sees PIJJ away so they decide to replace him with Gum & Ballacer.

    Covers “Chipotle executives don’t care that the chain’s queso is being slammed as ‘dumpster juice’ — here’s why” and other key tech stories for an international audience.

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    1. s.a.s.:
      Missing the Leo comment about Megan’s daughter
      Missing the Leo comment about curtains matching drapes to Sarah
      Missing the Leo comment about penis size and iPhone to Sarah

      Do you have links to the second and third? I vaguely remember the second one, already added the first one, and I don’t remember the third one.

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  29. Anyone want to take bets on how he kills himself when Tranny leaves him after she blows all his money? I’m thinking electrocution in the stew pot.

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  30. You don’t see Leo making these jokes during the The Tech Guy, do you?

    His claims that he “lacks a filter”, “will say anything for a laugh”, “maybe has tourette’s” are complete BS.

    He’s harassing these women. He knows exactly what he’s doing, and if he doesn’t — like he said to Erik Lanigan — “you can’t put someone like that on a live national radio show”.

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    1. Are we sure it’s her that we want to contact? The better route is to look for a journalist at a tech website who’s looking to write the definitive column on Leo Laporte, sexual deviant.

      They were eager to take down Scoble. If someone could get in touch with a journalist(s) and present this information in a calm, coherent manner I’m sure they’d pursue it.

      It can’t be presented vindictively or out of spite.

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      1. Thurrott Legend:
        Are we sure it’s her that we want to contact? The better route is to look for a journalist at a tech website who’s looking to write the definitive column on Leo Laporte, sexual deviant.

        They were eager to take down Scoble. If someone could get in touch with a journalist(s) and present this information in a calm, coherent manner I’m sure they’d pursue it.

        It can’t be presented vindictively or out of spite.

        A comprehensive list with photo/video/audio proof per incident (I’m sure there’s got be at least 50+) is really all it will take. Sadly, these so-called journalist(s) can be quite lazy. This will provoke them to take a deep dive into the perverted world of Leo the Pig and turn this Pig into bacon once and for all. The time is right to strike a final blow before the media is awash with Harvey Weinstein type characters taking away it’s impact.

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  33. As a fan of TWiT, I am disgusted, disappointed, and greatly concerned about Leo’s behavior. I cannot remain silent any longer and just sent an email to Jennifer Leimgruber. Great job on compiling this post. I agree that we need a journalist to run with this post.

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  36. Looks like Jolie O’Dell doesn’t even do tech journalism anymore, judging by her fb page. Wonder if interacting with creepos like Leo and Scoble pushed her over the edge. She kinda sucked anyway

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    1. Abby Laporte:
      Looks like Jolie O’Dell doesn’t even do tech journalism anymore, judging by her fb page. Wonder if interacting with creepos like Leo and Scoble pushed her over the edge. She kinda sucked anyway

      No, she left tech journalism at the same time as she left the reality that you and I live in.
      She is nuttier than squirrel turds.

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      1. JungleBunnyJim: No, she left tech journalism at the same time as she left the reality that you and I live in.
        She is nuttier than squirrel turds.

        Agreed. And Jolie O’Dell is not her real name. She’s like a Kardashian. Looks ok, but no brains.

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    2. “After fifteen years in newswriting and editing, I’m transitioning into the world of theatre design. I run a small business, Magick Wigs, which allows me to design and sell large, theatrical wigs to clients around the country. I also work part-time in the CCSF theatre costume shop, and I’m getting into freelance work in local theatres.”

      https://www.linkedin.com/in/jolieodell

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        1. She’s right to get out of tech journalism – it’s full of identity politics airheads, few with any computing/electronics degrees, pontificating on the latest smartphone – or ranting against white men. Third rate “journalists” whose life revolves around their Twitter account.

          I bet making theatrical costumes and wigs is a hundred times more interesting than churning out pages of tech garbage.

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  39. It is sad that many of continue to listen or watch his podcasts even though he continues to sexual harass women on his show (I am surprised women still come on his show personally). I feel his behavior should be called out, he should lose his radio contract and his sponsors should stop backing him. With so many talented tech people with quality podcast, I should make an effort to provide one replacement for each of his show each week on my show and through twitter. I also feel each of his sponsors should have a list similar to the one here to let them know the kind of individual they are sponsoring. I for one will write each of the co-host of the shows I listen to and let them know why I don’t plan to support their podcast anymore. We should not condone or accept his behavior by tuning into his shows.

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  41. Wow, all your poor little baby ears can’t take a little dirty humor? Jesus the world has turned in to the biggest bunch of whiny little bitches. Maybe it’s the skinny jeans, maybe it’s facebook, maybe you all need to fucking get with it and stop searching for every tiny like comment anyone makes and turn it into something ridiculous.

    You people are all just jealous of other people that are successful, newflash you fuckers! None of you will ever be sucessful because you are wasting time reading rumors and creating drama.

    Good Luck Losers, keep steaming over nothing in your bedrooms while everyone else lives the life.

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