And Now, a Word From Zero Sponsors

Update: Friday’s “no ads” discussion from This Week in Enterprise Tech has been added to the video.
Rare picture depicting Lisa Laporte harvesting Galapagos money in the wild

We previously reported on Leo Laporte shitting on sponsor Ring.com just before leaving for his Galapagos vacation. Why can’t we find any discussion of this vacation on TWiT on any show??

Shortly thereafter, during his vacation, Ring.com disappeared from the sponsor list. But — if Leo is to be believed — his lies and ridicule of the FMCP-approved surveillance device company prompted the owner to reach out to tell Leo how much he loved him and wanted to buy more ads. Silver-tongued Uncle Leo isn’t to be believed — of course — but how he talked himself back into Ring.com’s graces, we’ll never know.

Leo said he got in trouble with his wife, Lisa Laporte, supposedly the CEO of the failing company, which already has a lot of trouble selling ads. Leo claimed Ring bought “a whole bunch more ads” just to show him how much Ring loves TWiT.

Hilton A. Goring could not be reached for comment.

But here’s the weird thing. Many shows regularly have zero ads, as you heard in the video above. FLOSS Weekly went without, on the same day. Windows Weekly went without, on the same day.

Home Theater Geeks has gone without ads this entire year. Circumstances are so dire that Scott Wilkinson made on-air remarks about how there are never any ads to read on his teleprompter.

Total Drama dug deeper. Expert analysis revealed the following shows had zero ads recently — by no means an exhaustive list, just spot checks. Something is rotten in the TWiT ad sales department.

I guess that Richard Branson money doesn’t go as far when you constantly shit on your advertisers.

TWiT is going to have to fire a lot more people than just Tony Wang and Kara Kohl to make up for this shortfall.

Other Recent Shows With No Ads

Windows Weekly June 28
Home Theater Geeks The entire year of 2017
FLOSS Weekly June 28
This Week in Enterprise Tech June 30
Tech News Today May 22
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  May 26
Know How January 19
  January 26
  January 30
  February 6
  February 23
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71 thoughts on “And Now, a Word From Zero Sponsors”

  1. Any Ring Doorbell ads since “the shitting”? Although evidence is zero ads period!

    What would this alternate plan for revenue be that he mentions to Scott?

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    1. Fashionista: What would this alternate plan for revenue be that he mentions to Scott?

      They are trying to monetize their YouTube presence. A bunch of snippets taken almost randomly from the full shows. It’s pathetic because some idiot is actually choosing which snippets should be stand alone segments.

      It should go the other way, segments should researched, planned, produced and aired WITHIN shows. Not the other way aroud.

      Segments like

      “Manage Your Vacation Photos”
      “A Closer Look at Petya”
      and
      “How to Manage Your Apple ID.”

      I think the TWiT Netcast Network is the new “Old Turks.”

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    1. Jenny:
      This has got to be the end right?

      Could be, if advertisers start to bail they could ask viewers/listeners for donations. There is also the option of going subscription based. I highly doubt that will happen, their content will just end up on torrent sites. That’s pretty much the reason Leo never opted to go off a subscription based model. But I’ve seen sites like IGN and Giant Bomb (gaming sites) have had success over it.

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    1. Thurrott Legend:
      So, the entire TWiT enterprise is held together by the money generated from the radio show? What happens if The Tech Guy gets cancelled?

      KFI will be airing the Chargers games this fall. No more TTG Sunday Show. I could definitely see KFI canceling the show and going with the local fill in TechGuy on Saturday’s. Premiere dropping him is a good possibility.

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      1. Soupslurper: KFI will be airing the Chargers games this fall.No more TTG Sunday Show.I could definitely see KFI canceling the showand going with the local fill in TechGuy on Saturday’s. Premieredropping him is a good possibility.

        It’s only a matter of time. 99.9% of humans who have tech issues Google the solution or go to YouTube. I can’t fathom how or why The Tech Guy is still on the airwaves.

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        1. Thurrott Legend: It’s only a matter of time. 99.9% of humans who have tech issues Google the solution or go to YouTube. I can’t fathom how or why The Tech Guy is still on the airwaves.

          I wonder that myself, even if the person is unable to Google their issue on a computer, surely, they have a phone or tablet they can use to Google it. At this point, I think the people calling in remember Leo from TV and just want the chance to talk to a famous (to them) person they remember seeing on the Screen Savers on Tech TV.

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    2. Thurrott Legend:
      So, the entire TWiT enterprise is held together by the money generated from the radio show? What happens if The Tech Guy gets cancelled?

      This is the most ironic part of this whole drama. It is a theory that I’ve always kept in the back of my brain . The reason I now come to totaldrama.net is to see which of my theories wins out.

      I also have a theory that the Tesla crashes on the way home one night while Lisa was giving Leo roadhead because he’s a dangerous pervert and……well I’ll save that for another time.

      #6yards

      #OneAss

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  2. I happened to be watching during the pre-stream before Windows Weekly and Leo mentioned that there would be no ads because the companies like to front load them, leaving the end of the month empty.

    That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

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  3. I’m not sure leo is outright lying. TWiT has carried the niche shows from the beginning. What is remarkable is TNT failing to carry their own weight. Letting Merritt go was probably the stupidest programming mistake Leo ever made.

    TWiT seems like every family run business I’ve ever dealt with, i. e. a nightmare. I used to think it might survive if someone like Calicanis bought it and shook things up but at this point I doubt the company has any intrinsic value. Leo would be wise to make the tertiary shows “value for value” like No Agenda or DTNS.

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    1. Forbin: Leo would be wise to make the tertiary shows “value for value” like No Agenda or DTNS.

      I doubt he wants to go this route because it would reveal the actual number of small sycophants remaining, the 10 or so superfans that hang out in #sheeplive. He would literally become the OMGChad of Patreon.

      His only chance is to stay with the podtrac scam and/or the robot downloaders. There will always be a sucker company that can be fooled into buying ads based on these fake metrics.

      #TeamOneAss

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    2. Whenever someone gets close to potentially being able to replace Leo he harasses them out of the network. He did it with Erik, Tom, Sarah, JCD.

      He’s threatened by talent that is on par with him, which is why he hires the likes of Mike Elgan, Megan, Nate OG.

      Nobody will ever buy TWiT because what is it without Leo Laporte? This isn’t the NYT or IGN. He has made it so that he’s bigger than the company. There is no TWiT after Leo, he’s ensuring that every day by driving away young talent.

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  4. An article with actual information and research. Bravo.

    Burying the lead though when Leo said “we’re looking at alternate advertising methods.”
    Patreon is coming for the small shows and twit will take a cut. I can’t imagine HTG can get more than $500 a month from patreon.

    Once he loses the radio gig, twit should not be more than a part time 3 man operation. He can squeeze 4 shows into 2 days and dump TNT and tell them to go out on their own. Lisa really blew a golden opportunity. Podcasts are on the rise and somehow it backfired on them.

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    1. The endgame, once The Tech Guy is put out to pasture, is Leo setting up the tri-caster in a home studio and hosting the “big shows”: TWiT, Triangulation, MBW, SN, WW, and TWiG all via Skype.

      Everything else will be scrapped. Like you said, HTG would be lucky to get $500 a month, ditto for all of the shows that Leo doesn’t host. He should’ve done this after the Brick House Studios went bottoms up (thanks to Lisa’s incompetence with the lease). He only needs an offsite editor or two and he could pocket the majority of the 8 figures TWiT brings in on an annual basis.

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      1. Thurrott Legend:
        He only needs an offsite editor or two and he could pocket the majority of the 8 figures TWiT brings in on an annual basis.

        LOL. You actually believe the 8 figures number? That’s hilarious given the total amount all podcasts bring in, which includes big names like Serial et al.

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        1. Leica Lens: LOL. You actually believe the 8 figures number? That’s hilarious given the total amount all podcasts bring in, which includes big names like Serial et al.

          I believe that it’s somewhere around mid to high 7 figures at worst. He got in at the ground floor, not having to pay for bandwidth, various other sweetheart deals. Also, with the exodus of talent and downsizing of the studio, he has to be pocketing more. There’s no way, unless he and Lisa are complete morons, that Megan is making as much as Tom or Sarah, or Nate OG as much as Iyaz.

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    2. Leica is (b)anal:

      Burying the lead though when Leo said“we’re looking at alternate advertising methods.”
      Patreon is coming for the small shows and twit will take a cut. I can’t imagine HTG can get more than $500 a month from patreon.

      As a regular reader, you should know most things Leo says are a lie. Unless Marketing Mavericks is one day returning from “hiatus”?

      Why would we report that “he is going to try something new” without knowing anything about it or if it’s even true, without some kind of proof.

      When he makes HTG Patreon or some shit like that, it’ll be on here, probably, depending on my mood (or willingness of the other current writer who you think is also me).

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  5. Viewership is dying, listenership is dying…

    There are so many better podcasts to listen to now. Many of them are not overly long and full of bloviating narcissistic self important assholes and their sycophant enablers (though some are).

    Leo and Lisa are in denial. They will keep leasing their expensive ego cars and talking about their once in a lifetime vacations and meals at the French Laundry, etc. Someday they will realize they need to cut costs and dump the studio. Hey, I guess he was a success, Twit lasted longer than TechTV, and spent millions less.

    The funny thing is, if Leo wasn’t so self absorbed, he was really in a good place to have made a lot of money with his knowledge and contacts. Instead, he spent it all promoting his stupid little brand.

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    1. Oh I think Leo has already made bank. I’m sure the company is separate from his personal finances. He strikes me as someone who pays himself first and then figures out what is left to divide between the underlings. That’s why he refused to pay Merritt what he was worth and decided to get Elgin who had zero broadcasting experience. Elgin was incentivized with a promise that TWiT would build a real journalistic news operation, but Leo failed to fund this at all so it never even got off the ground and Elgin was reduced to having to do Merritt’s show which he was 100% unqualified for. It is pretty obvious that Leo is wealthy and he’s at an age where retirement is normal. He’s lost the chance to sell TWiT but I wouldn’t be surprised if he continues to shrink it and pocket the revenue instead of actually investing it back into the network and focusing on improving it.

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      1. Forbin:
        Oh I think Leo has already made bank.

        It is pretty obvious that Leo is wealthy and he’s at an age where retirement is normal.

        You sweet, sweet child. He is not rich for someone with his level of expenditures. He accidentally showed us his retirement accounts there before.

        He is in no way prepared to retire and that is why he says he “will work until he dies” all the time.

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    2. A big fan:
      Viewership is dying, listenership is dying…

      There are so many better podcasts to listen to now.Many of them are not overly long and full of bloviating narcissistic self important assholes and their sycophant enablers (though some are).

      Leo and Lisa are in denial.They will keep leasing their expensive ego cars and talking about their once in a lifetime vacations and meals at the French Laundry, etc. Someday they will realize they need to cut costs and dump the studio.Hey, I guess he was a success, Twit lasted longer than TechTV, and spent millions less.

      The funny thing is, if Leo wasn’t so self absorbed, he was really in a good place to have made a lot of money with his knowledge and contacts.Instead, he spent it all promoting his stupid little brand.

      Completely agree, the tech scene now has become flooded. When TWiT first started they were the only ones doing something different. Tech podcasts were around then, but TWiT had one thing – video, which they did right at the beginning. Then there were all the behind the scenes stuff, which you just didn’t see anywhere else. These days, every Joe Shmoe has a tech podcast or opinion, all you have to do is go to YouTube or even Twitch because Twitch allows real life streaming now, and instant interaction with the host by donating bits and cheers.

      So what do you do when other services come along and your customers go elsewhere/stop listening? You reinvent, and that’s what TWiT needs to do. At this point, TWiT feels like an old dinosaur compared to what else is out there.

      If they decided to sell the company, who would even buy it? Maybe a few years ago when Twitch wasn’t around, and YouTube was in it’s infancy, someone might’ve bought it and done something with it.

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  6. What happens to TWiT’s ad rates once Apple begins providing advanced analytics in its Podcasts app, and possibly iTunes, in the next few months?

    Podcast authors will be able to see how much of the episode was played after the download (or during a “stream”), as well how many people skip ads or segments, when they abandon the episode, and how many consume the entire thing.

    Even if Apple’s Podcast app isn’t the most popular, won’t it give enough insight that advertisers will begin demanding these statistics to justify advertising rates?

    Leo dismissed the whole thing as statistics he wasn’t interested in. Yeah, I’ll bet. When something comes along which demonstrates the weaknesses in your advertising model, you definitely aren’t interested.

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    1. macsimcon:
      Leo dismissed the whole thing as statistics he wasn’t interested in. Yeah, I’ll bet. When something comes along which demonstrates the weaknesses in your advertising model, you definitely aren’t interested.

      Leo might not be interested in it, but it’ll be all that advertisers look at, especially when their ads are being tied to shows like Home Theater Geeks or This Week in Enterprise Tech, shows that 10-15 people download AND watch/listen to at best.

      I’ve always found the download/subscriber numbers to be dubious. I can’t tell you how many podcasts I’m subscribed to that when a new episode drops, I check the description and delete it. In Leo’s world that’s success because I’m subscribed.

      As more and more people get into podcasting the charade that he has been carrying on will become exposed.

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      1. And this explains Leo’s constant urging of listeners to subscribe. I cast a wide net of about 30 shows that I follow, but I only listen to episodes from them depending on the subject.

        HOW can advertisers not be wise to this?

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        1. macsimcon:
          And this explains Leo’s constant urging of listeners to subscribe. I cast a wide net of about 30 shows that I follow, but I only listen to episodes from them depending on the subject.

          HOW can advertisers not be wise to this?

          What really turned me onto subscriber numbers being complete BS is YouTube. For instance, a channel like Rev3Games, that was shuttered in 2014, still has 362,137 subscribers.

          Imagine how many legacy subscribers TWiT has? All Leo and Lisa need when they go into a sales pitch is, “We have X subscribers, we want Y in return for running your ads.” Without having the proper data, and wanting to be in on podcasting, advertisers pounce.

          Now that listening/viewing metrics will be available there’s the potential for someone like Leo to take it on the chin. I’m more apt to listen to the Joe Rogan/Tim Ferriss model where they read the ads at the top and at the end, not interjecting into the show like Leo, Bill Simmons, Adam Carolla, etc. I can’t remember the last time I listened to a full ad read on TWiT…

          It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out. The model of the future, if you follow gaming/tech personalities who are ahead of the curve, is Patreon or paid subscriptions. Relying on advertisers is for suckers.

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          1. Don’t forget though, gaming and tech personalities are a lot younger. At TWiT they’re old and worn out. Younger people are willing to move with the times. and adopt new things.

            TWiT = if it isn’t broke don’t fix it. Well, it’s broken. Like you said relying on ad’s is for suckers now. If people like you, and like what you are doing, they’re willing to support you.

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        2. macsimcon:
          And this explains Leo’s constant urging of listeners to subscribe. I cast a wide net of about 30 shows that I follow, but I only listen to episodes from them depending on the subject.

          HOW can advertisers not be wise to this?

          I always fill out that I’m a retired poor retard in their annual listener survey. Not that I think that he actually presents real data to the advertisers, but maybe it helps demoralize them.

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  7. Looks like the deck chairs are sliding faster down the ship. My view is they have no intention of selling the company and plan to run it into the ground and then just sell it for parts. Constant vacations with no steady ad income will only speed that up.

    I’m thinking Leo is now at the age where he won’t continue TWiT back at his home and will try to get back into cameo tech segments on various TV shows like he use to do. I could see him also return back to his DJ roots on some classic rock station.

    I can also see that once the company goes under and they sell it for parts, they probably have a year after that till the money runs out and then she’ll probably move on to the next victim.

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    1. The outlook for TWiT is bleak, and Leo admits as much in this interview with Kevin Rose:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNvzpx4KrXs

      It’s long, but well worth your time. He admits to not being able to make hires that he would like to because the landscape changed. He talks about how the idea with TWiT was to create the CNN of tech, but he quickly realized that the only shows that do business are the ones with him, so the network is unsustainable.

      You’re right; he wants to live the high life, drop into Bloomberg once a week or various other stations as a recurring guest while traveling the world, but like he says in the interview, few people are willing to buy TWiT. They want to buy it, move it to SF, and strip it down the bare bones. He can’t reconcile his life’s work being destroyed.

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      1. Leo has always claimed that the only profitable shows are the ones he is on, implying they are profitable simply because he hosts them. But perhaps those shows are more profitable because more people care about Windows, or Apple, or security, and less because they give a shit who hosts them. There is just no way that a show about ham radio or the law will ever attract the same size audience at This Week in Tech.

        That said, while Leo was on vacation, I listened to MacBreak Weekly, and every guest host was worse that Leo. Leo’s a good emcee, and a passible moderator, but his unwillingness to familiarize himself with the stories ahead of time, coupled with his ever-expanding narcissism make the shows he hosts nearly impossible to listen to. I can’t count the number of times he has cut someone off so he can brag, or come up with some boring non-sequitur, or the infrequent humorous or witty observation. My favorites are Leo chiming in with a comment that one of the other hosts made just a few seconds or minutes earlier, illustrating that he has trouble listening to the very show he is hosting.

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        1. Well said. I couldn’t agree more.

          Leo is a great host. He keeps the ball moving, knows what questions to ask, but when it comes time for him to shine he fumbles.

          A textbook case of this was the interview on TWiT with Katie Benner, the woman who wrote about Silicon Valley’s unchecked sexual harassment. You could tell the first time he was reading the column was live, on air, as he’s interviewing her.

          That’s laziness, beyond embarrassing for the face of the network,

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  8. Hi Esch, I respectfully disagree. There aren’t any parts with significant value.. No goodwill – the brand is worth nothing.. Maybe he could get 5K for the Tricaster and 10K for all the cameras and 10K for everything else. They will probably have to pay to get out of their lease and any negligible money they get for the parts won’t support them for 2 months. He will take some of the gear home to stroke his ego, while he strokes himself. Actually, I think he just said on TTG he had about 100K worth of gear so, he really probably has 60, so my 25K was probably high. He couldn’t make the lease payment on his car being a DJ on classic rock..

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  9. Thurrott Legend,

    Thanks.. watched that video with Kevin Rose.. Very interesting.. especially the last 15 minutes.. Leo says he has poured $10 million into TWiT and there is no exit.. He says he could make 2-3 million a year for 10 years (yeah, dream on)… Also, one of the primary reasons for his success is that people like him — gag me with a spoon. Two years since this video and it really has deteriorated significantly.. oh, then again at the end he says he is ~pouring 5-7 million a year of his money into the network.. oh gawd.. what a BS’er.

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    1. I don’t think he’s bullshitting. TWiT is an LLC, right? So every dollar that is spent on operations, Leo sees as one dollar less going into his pocket. Hence, he characterizes all expenses as his pouring money into the company.

      What a dick. Hey Leo, if you don’t like running a company, don’t do it, you won’t be missed. Nobody is forcing you to make shitty podcasts.

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    2. Alex Jones recently said he built his studio for 500K and is building another for 600K. AJ’s studio and technology is far more sophisticated and professional. This is the difference between a hard working entrepreneur and a privileged lazy person with no passion.

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  10. OK, I didn’t think Leo could do anything to impress me, but did you see how fat he was just two years ago in that interview with Kevin Rose?!? He’s lost a TON of weight.

    He’s still a fat fuck, but a lighter fat fuck.

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    1. macsimcon:
      OK, I didn’t think Leo could do anything to impress me, but did you see how fat he was just two years ago in that interview with Kevin Rose?!? He’s lost a TON of weight.

      He’s still a fat fuck, but a lighter fat fuck.

      He has been fasting, skipping meals and only drinking water and coffee. He’s been doing that for about 2-3 days in a row.

      Could anyone on here being an expert in health or neutrition tell us if this is good or bad? Would be interesting to know.

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  11. According to an article on Marketwatch.com http://www.marketwatch.com/story/iheartradio-parent-warns-it-may-not-survive-another-year-2017-04-21-121035436 iHeartMedia is so riddle with debt (approx $20 billion dollars) they are warning that they may not survive another year and accordingly they are laying off or outright firing on-air talent at most of their terrestrial stations with big and/or expiring contracts and are planning or have already cancelled some shows syndicated through their Premiere Radio Networks, so it is entirely possible that Leo’s little tech radio show may be next on the chopping block considering most of the stations carrying The Tech Guy are iHeartRadio owned and operated stations with barely any outside independently owned stations carrying the show and I’m sure Leo commands a hefty salary from Premiere which I’m sure they would love to get rid of by firing him.

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    1. iHeartless Radio:
      …and I’m sure Leo commands a hefty salary from Premiere which I’m sure they would love to get rid of by firing him.

      Leo isn’t shy about admitting that The Tech Guy is the glue that holds everything together. I doubt he’s making Elvis Duran money, but mid to high 6 figures isn’t out of the question. Most importantly, not a cent of that money has to be put into TWiT.

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      1. Thurrott Legend: Leo isn’t shy about admitting that The Tech Guy is the glue that holds everything together. I doubt he’s making Elvis Duran money, but mid to high 6 figures isn’t out of the question. Most importantly, not a cent of that money has to be put into TWiT.

        I think he said a while back he makes 400K/yr, which seems high to me.

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  12. I worked for a guy in the late 90s who always begrudged paying his employees that did the work to keep the business running. He was all over my ass for the $12.00/hour plus 12 hours OT I was putting in every week to bring his $20 million in past due accounts in from the over 60 Days and beyond columns to having 90% of our accounts brought in within 45 days of billing (Less than 50K beyond 90 days and about a million beyond 45 days.) This douche told me that I was milking the system by working hard to make it possible for him to make more money. The moral of this story is this appears to be the same management philosophy of TWiT. They think people that are putting in long hours to attempting make an exceptional product from Leo’s shit or run the waste of a business that crumbling around the CEhO’s ass are trying to steal cash from their pockets. It is easy to see that Leo and Lisa begrudgingly pay their employees not realizing this is how they make money. They are idiots and deserve to lose everything. And you cannot have sales if you do not hire people to dial for dollars and cash won’t come in unless you have someone making calls to get customers to cut the checks.

    Oh, and that asshole I worked for 20 years ago went out of business in 2000. I know the majority of the accounting department was heading out the door as soon as one of us got an opportunity to run. It is funny how the personnel departure exoduses take place when one person sees an out and the rest of the staff takes the opportunity to go find more work for themselves.

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  13. Today’s This Week in Tech was hysterical! The best part was when Katie Benner called in and they put up a photo of another Asian woman multiple times… Then there was a discussion.. ~ Why do people think it’s not her? Are you sure it is her? It sure looks like it’s her.. It’s just a very good picture of her.. Oh, actually it’s a picture of Penny Kim from an article by Katie Benner. I almost wet my panties I was laughing so hard.. I was just listening while doing chores.. went back and found it on the DVR.. It’s there.. early in the show.. I hope one of the creative types here does something with it.. It is too precious not to share..

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    1. A big fan:
      Today’s This Week in Tech was hysterical!The best part was when Katie Benner called in and they put up a photo of another Asian woman multiple times… Then there was a discussion.. ~ Why do people think it’s not her? Are you sure it is her?It sure looks like it’s her.. It’s just a very good picture of her.. Oh, actually it’s a picture of Penny Kim from an article by Katie Benner. I almost wet my panties I was laughing so hard.. I was just listening while doing chores.. went back and found it onthe DVR.. It’s there.. early in the show.. I hope one of the creative types here does something with it.. It is too precious not to share..

      The stock Asian woman photo had me rolling, but what was even more funnier was that Leo hadn’t read the article. He makes this big fuss about having her on and he just read the article back to her verbatim.

      Hey, Leo. Take a break from the sex swing on Saturday night’s and prepare for TWiT for once.

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  14. Man WW and TWiG are even more painful with no ads. With ads at least you get a break several times an episode.

    Doesn’t Lisa run the revolutionary ad network that they started? This blog post from April is priceless, ArtisANAL Agency has to just be another tax shelter.

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  15. It seriously might be time to consider Patreon. One perk could be people get Leo’s autograph, there’s people out there who still like him, I don’t know why but there is.

    Two big shows without ads? That’s bad.

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