<~Leo> I don't feel unsafe Have spent some time in LA going to theaters, saw some great stuff there <~Leo> our mods are at their limit with keeping chat safe hi Leo! Loquacious1, i'm not even sure, was that Hair? Yes <~Leo> and the drive bys and the trolling are not conducive to chat <~Leo> so we're going to move it to a verified system good idea leo OK I get that but isn't there a AI way to cleanup chat? <~Leo> that way it will be easier on the mods i think all your dedicated fans will be happy to register hey that is better news than before! <~Leo> and a more fun place to be <~Leo> I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want that That's a good idea Leo o.k. let's do it leo.. <~Leo> unless you like being anonymous in here yup.... drive-by's are impossible to control otherwise I'd be happy to register Leo, I hope a credit card isn't needed? * ToiLeTBuG is sorta annon* I don't like those drive byes at all, they ruin the fun and disrupt normal flow of conversations So will HN still have a chat answer section? <~Leo> I don't know what system we'll use <~Leo> we're looking at them now Ok <~Leo> I'd like for it to be free and for people to be able to use handles <~Leo> but can't guarantee it handles would be great if you can manage leo <~Leo> Lisa wants to charge a bit to defray the cost <~Leo> yeah I like the handles leo! i'd probably kick in, but i think there are many who wouldnt Have you looked into mandating registered nicks for irc? I've always been Loquacious1 for years <~Leo> all we're looking for is a way to identify chatters that's better than spoofable IP addresses Leo - i'd pay $3 mth or $30 yr at most to help defray costs Tie it to verified email addresses, maybe? well let's try it free at first and see what developes theres a cost to charging any amount, some of the chatters will feel entitled to being there and be even more annoyed at every little thing about chat i have no problem with the paywall.. i'd pay 7$ for some kind of VIP type member benefits Doing research fun trying to weed through the marketing hype for products <~Leo> think it throuhg oldtech as long as cash cheque or paypal are allowed Leo Charging isn't going to stop trolls with money J5_JCH <~Leo> it's easy to create an email addy and verify it <~Leo> we need something better Leo I will pay $1 for a year, but you gonna owe me when i answer the gaming editing question on the radio show, ya dont gotta plug me but ya gotta pay me! :P Hmm, point taken. What about pateron for payment? there are disposable email services as well * OldTech is not an irc expert by any means driver's licence Loquacious1: it wont, but you just need some kind of friction point, to make it harder. <~Leo> there's got to be a significant speed bump <~Leo> otherwise the trolls just make new accounts all the time IRC bot +i invite only channels.. But money won't do that and you message the bot, for invite into the channel Will it require us to pay a subscription and change or use other specifc irc clients like the ones you have to pay for Leo? Loquacious1: but - you could hit em with a fee for being naughty - like a late fee - like $25 if you had CC info Anyhow, regardless of what I think, it's up to TWiT, not me a green room for chat. time to drink beer <~Leo> no idea TNohands TheGemDr: VIP chat lounge :) <~Leo> depends what we pick thanks for the excellent IO coverage leo <~Leo> no money is not a verification system moderated with voice privilages works yep <~Leo> it would only be to pay the mods and for the service yeah, charge for offenses and put the money in a beer fund :-) phone numebrs (although also generatable) are probably a reasonable verification system So you want to play cop J5_JCH? Issue tickets? <~Leo> no they are not DLR, I am with ya on that one <~Leo> I know Bruce's numbers Hello Leo, I'd pay for the chat, but if the proceeds go to a charity, that would be kind.... <~Leo> but it's easy to create numbers yup bleak you must of missed the Dr Tipper tip <~Leo> the money will go to supporting the chat <~Leo> including mods ~Leo: keeping the channel invite only would work, the payment would only validate the "invites" hmmmm...... btc to hire a hitman? :P Dr-Dark that's why you a drivers license,, and a way to verify the name <~Leo> someone would have to administer the invitation system <~Leo> we might do that but I'd like something more automatic bleak: plus - some of us use prepaid phones with no data plan so Leo, a moderated chat with people earning voice (+v) privilages could work J5_JCH: you still have a phone number tho :P trouble with automated system, is they can be gamed systems <~Leo> maybe tj TJ: Yes. <~Leo> if the mods agree am i correct in assuming you have enough mods? (otherwise I would consider volunteering) <~Leo> mods are burned out yeah, I understand bbs <~Leo> we're going to lose most of them the minute we find a system Earning sounds like a new can of worms I used to be a mod in Pirillo's chat a long time ago <@Keith512> i dont drive LonnDawg Leo , you should not need to many mods.. If the system is under control <@marmot> TJ: I wondered what those scars were ;) <~Leo> aexactly LonnDawg ROFL marmot Keith512 you must have some form of ID <~Leo> what about it marmot? burned out? at times, that chat was like a 3 ring circus with all the trolls bleak: yes - but was just pointing out that not all have full cell phones - etc I'm a new member to the chat room, but would love to be able to be a part of the new room if it moves. :D <@Keith512> a utility bill is all i have I still have Stickam scars, believe it <~Leo> I'm thinking of some system where you send us a picture with your driver's license or ID <~Leo> and we mail you a password <@marmot> Leo: at times but I'm not around as much as I used to be. Moved back to the office with work. <~Leo> yeah you're not alone marmot Leo that might be an excellent idea I'd be down with that method Oh, I'd never do that <~Leo> I really really appreciate all you've done over the past few years I like my privacy <~Leo> it's been a horrible thankless job lol * ScooterX has been connected to the IRC since 1997 or so, seen a lot <@marmot> thanks marmot, has been a good mod And with good reason, much like you Leo, did you just say you want to see my Papers*? :) <~Leo> how many of the mods would be interested in a paid position in a more orderly chat? I have to say that all the current mods have done an excellent job. <~Leo> yeah papers please hehe Leo - I'm using webchat on old XP laptop and its very readable to my bad eyes - hope you consider that aspect on any new chat <@Keith512> dont need paying I"m relatively new too but hope a workable solution can be found so a useful and interesting chat can continue. <~Leo> of course J5_JCH do we have chat stats? like how many poeple are active each month? im wondering if 7 to 10 dollars a month, would even generate enough money look Leo even if someone sends you a picture of there. Drivers license, it still could be a false one, but I would expect that to be an extremely small percentage of people who would do such a thing, and if they joined the chat room and were disruptive you would kick them out.. I also have a stalker, I know how important being invisible is over 10$, just wont work for most people.. <@cwbp> yes nightrain-ke5jxo - we do <~Leo> exactly - then they'd need to take the time to get a new one <~Leo> and having a mailing address would also help Lonndawg, but "showing" of a document or something would give it some lag-time between wanting to troll.. and actual trolling. Actually TWiT already has my information from when I bought bricks on the receipt Yep Leo <~Leo> I don't mind if it's a fake identity - just that it's hard to create Leo: thanks -- and us twit brick donors are already a known user i think if you could remove 80% of the bad apples, it would be worth it. There are 2 things that have been a plague in this irc for a few years now...1 is the nasty comments and just insults, not cool. #2 is the fact a lot of people are mad cause of being kicked for shall we say not a very bad thing to say. censorship makes enemies Would the mailing address have to be a physical one? nightrain-ke5jxo well, you don't want to make it easy for them to troll like it is currently <~Leo> It might be that we can continue to use IRC with some sort of invite system Impossible for me, I'm on an island lol <~Leo> but we're also looking at commercial alternatives Leo: I'd really love to see you continue using IRC because I love my client, irssi I'm old - "active" for me is a very loose term :) If possible and pracitcal, that is. im surprised the chat server hasnt been ddos'ed. loose as in have a notha drink dalepoco ! Clinky Where did Dan go ToiLeTBuG ty sir clinky Eventually I'll be moving, so guess not much matters when it comes to me anymore oh Leo.. You can only go so far to verify somebody's identity... You want to be totally strict... Then you need it signed by a notary...:-)) irc wars in 1993 were pretty crazy, #warez, #warez1, #warez2 were some seriously fought over irc-realestate Some of us are limited hexchat is the best win 7 compatible clent easy for me to use could we register a nick for a lower cost and still pay for moderators maybe get volunteers or look for donations so everyone in all situations have access to one of the greatest resource for tech help? Leo <~Leo> I don't really need to know their true identity - I just need to make signing up take time <~Leo> then we can kick someone and it will be a lot of trouble to get back with a new identity Loquacious1…you matter muchly ;) 48 hour delay should suffice. Leo: The way Twitch does IRC may be of interest to you. It uses OAuth Seven-day waiting period, maybe? ~Leo: exactly. Leo .. The first thing to do is to try some type of verification system... And then work from there. As problems occur.. That's the way things are always done, you guys try things on your shows and then modify them as needed good idea Leo <~Leo> oauth would work Leo have them all go through #unfiltered and let them be questioned. <~Leo> at least that would be an identity Oh, well thanks ciamp, that's sweet of you to say oauth has worked really well for Twitch and a few other IRC communities. You could then build an online registration system that gives them out and revokes them as needed. true I'm just feeling kinda sad these days, but am trying so hard not to Leo with a 48 hour delay, you could turn off the new users registratipm when trouble spikes.. and the vetted community continues uninterupted. and new users get delayed Leo: A write up for what they require to connect to their IRC. http://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/1302780-twitch-irc I guess the problem with a delay would be patient trolls. nightrain-ke5jxo: but - suppose there is a TTG caller who wants to followup to issue - dont want to force them to wait 48 hrs Register a bunch of nicks over time, then slam you when you're not expecting it. You have to make sure you cannot have a bot auto fill the stuff out either. Loquacious1 …I, as a outsider, unbiased, can honestly say the chat is very much a part of you. A very nice part ;) Because if it uses a captcha that a bot can figure out it's pointless, they'll find a way. J5_JCH: thats what i was curious about, and wanted to see stats. are there lots of new faces showing up everyday? or is it us same old folks everday? <~Leo> and our trolls are nothing if not patient I'm active on a webcomic forum, and that's been a persistent problem. hi cwbp <@Keith512> there is a natural limit to some extent we have never see the chat room at 4000 people ~leo: they seem to treat it like a full time job.. kind of pathetic actually indeed, so you must make it require a decent level of human work to register, and make it VERY easy for mods to disable the key permanently. Not trolling, so much as it's spam accounts. Still annoying for the mods, though. <@cwbp> hi justin how are u … but my heart belongs to ToiLeTBuG … (I neglected to read the fine print) lol nightrain-ke5jxo: not sure - always seems to be newbies here - and that was example of why too much hassle could be problem for Granny <@cwbp> p good u? I must reduce stress though ciamp, and sometimes worry too much about everything. After checking my bp... well, I'm concerned about it p dec tbqh g and t is good i shoudn't use my ham call sign in here :( to easy to mess with me <@cwbp> awes i've used the same nick since the ijustine lifecasting days. Like spending time in chat as I attempt to not brick my Nexus 5 with Android M hehe ciamp Cold one your way sir Sadly, I imagine public figures like Veronica belmont, have to deal with this on a much larger scale. sir yes sir ;) cheeto r u there <@cheeto> Hi ipad_1234 hi AnroUser, i'm updating a Nexus 5 to 5.1.1. hope it fixes all the bugs in 5.1.0 cheeto how r u <@cheeto> ipad_1234: good I was on 5.1.0 seemed okay. just need to clean out some weeds that were slowing me down... I sometimes log in from two places e.g. dalepoco from PC and say on phone as dalepococouch - be nice to have a single "key" for authorization into being able to post maybe not larger scale, but a differnt scale. cheeto why do u talk to ipad_1234 but not me why would she? AnroUser, where did you get M? Glas Nexus Root Tookit makes it easy <@cheeto> justin: bc developer.google.com ciamp» I've resigned myself to whatever happens happens, it's how I have to think now, but thanks for being so kind to me :) i think we should just all move into the brick house.. and interact in person. Create a tech-cult-community k bye felicia ty AnroUser. i tho like the manual updating way Only one mens toilet in there, could get messy I'm going to go rest now take care Loquacious1 Have a good rest Loquacious1 .bat is .bat no matter how you launch it Thx cr1, you too later Loq C'ya dalepoco :) its cheetos fault, everything thats going on Loquacious1 it is selfish of me to merely reflect the light you shine in here for us all Woo Hoo its booting! i bet he could have taken down the twitter troll guy somehow months ago! dalepoco, are you following Billy Connolly's Route 66 on Knowledge? More than one little troll here, big troll has is own IRC Aww (hug) ciamp :) Where's the teach? Is Leo still lurkin? ;) nope TheGemDr <~Leo> yep * Leina sits on a chair in the back of the room <~Leo> I'm going to pm all you chat mods Got to run before I drench this keyboard lol Leo, how about this sir, a bot that takes votes in chat from users to vote kick just like video games,? hey leo, where did you get your chair? gn Loquacious1 50% you are almosgt banned TB too easily gamed it's just started, you can catch up on-line, lots of good tunes as he trikes Route 66 over several episodes. dalepoco Leo I work with a think tank group in a rented private irc room that has a sign in session that sends an email verification link to activate my nick pre registered for log in privileges I think it's some sort of smtp setup I don't pay the group invited me so I don't know what that costs or really even know who of us are actually paying but it's secure would that setup work for your and our needs I think the rent only pays for the electricity to run the servers but since you host your own the cost shouldn't be extra for you. what? it always worked in game Leo my best memory is getting pic with you the day Jason returned dalepoco, in my experience the user thats rude always stops and usually apologises Leo - wondering - could there be a added 2-3 sec delay for live stream for a dump button type thing? like network delay on awards show? * Trex kinda likes that idea Meaning someone has to read, figure out what was said, and hit a button in 3 seconds??? dump button for what? Android M still booting... same swirly color dots different kind of culprit - in game is almost only a brief flame or a kid just doing for effect - not a dedicated evil-doer on a mission good luck Or dalepoco just add a join room before this one and call it Kinergarden and see who graduates AnroUser: to block any host/guest accidents in speech or such wait bad idea we'd both still be in there Leo, I can't foresee all the liabilities, but I'm sure you've thought about the concerns that she will absorb, by collecting such data as a picture of someone's ID or any thing with that kind of data. I'm sure you're way ahead of me on this concern Just a thought Leo PadreSJ may know how that suggestion works and drunk Hahaha! Sir Clinky i thought td were photoshopping things in though? Perhaps a dump button on the stream.... seems to be the vector where stuff gets out yeah, it's bad enough that we get hacked through the IRS -- don't need another place to get hacked. AnroUser: thats what i mean - a miminal delay wouldnt affect live-ness but give safety net a bit i think in 10 days from now, we'll be back to business as usual <@cwbp> Leo, thanks.... I will email you some lame folks who want to annoy us. <@Keith512> i will so the same its all ready about 15-30 seconds behind now. But a big responsibility for the TD to have to watch for every little thing that goes out on the stream AnroUser: well if a host yelps, its a good sign that something happened You guys are making a better argument for going to all pre-records, you know. Sometimes its a really small thing that gets out that gets magnified by the unwashed this whole thing got blown out of proporation.. no one cares or was offended. the trolls just used it as ammunition.. give them anything, and they're going to have a field day. OldTech: not really - just like Live w kelly & micheal isnt exactly live - its on a 7sec type delay Right, and there's a rather large staff of people watching the entire things, so multiple sets of eyes and ears to catch the occasional oopsie. Twit has one guy at the console, iirc. Just get various Staple size buttons in all sets and mute the stream! that way the presenter has the control of what goes out, and in between just have a cam feed with no audio... OldTech: true - but hosts could have equiv of cough button as well a video cough button :) I think the cam feed is just as vulnerable, since things like phones get accidentally flashed on screen. And the host needs to know in time that something went wrong.... assumes a lot <~Leo> thanks cwbp <~Leo> I really appreciate <~Leo> it One clear frame is all it takes for info to escape. <~Leo> is can0k <~Leo> out completely? AnroUser: true - but now we have NO delay so no chance to catch anything so something is better was my thought ttk hey john parrot AnroUser: the only reason its 15 sec delay is because the stream has to be transcoded on the fly I believe by the providers like bg or ustream so that delay is being implemented after any cut off point Since what the miscreants want are Leo flubs... which might seem harmless at the time.... might not do the trick was the video stream the vector for the trolling. i thought the trolling culprit is twitter itself <@Keith512> ok it late and my back has given out i need to get some sleep i will be back later bye Keith512 the op with tea <~Leo> way too hard to do a delay on video <~Leo> very expensive evening all gn Keith512 hi iPad_20180 A simpler solution to video leakage might be live-streaming a fixed camera, but recording using all the other angles. <@Keith512> night For ex. at the round-table, one wide angle shot for live stream, while the TD uses the tricaster to record singles and overheads for the editors. leo - ok - just was wondering - thanks - Cool, Ohio State mug. Leo: I'm sure this isnt the place to talk about it, but have sponsors reached out and confirmed their steadfast support? is Leo here? Leo: I PM'd you I want a quad copter, but I"m too cheap to buy a really good one He's lurking and private chatting, I think, MarcPelletier Get a cheap quad first. Cuz you're gonna wreck your first one. Leo, looking forward to the discussion with Tony Star... I mean Justin on the 15th... <~Leo> sponsors have reached out and expressed their concern. The troll is writing to each and every one of them and sending them links to his site, etc. that"s what I figured, plus the wife frowns upon another hobby What's on the 15th, MarcPelletier <~Leo> Most are savvy enough to understand that it's just trolling. A few we have had to talk down off the ledge. all this fuss over a harmless picture.. sad anyone would give it a second thought.. or a first one what a scumbag <~Leo> I'm not kidding when I say he is trying to put us out of business oh my god. use a production machine without personal accounts on air, and dont talk about sticky business or employee matters on air/dropcams. the ammunition they have was hand fed to them ! <~Leo> it's not just his faked dick pick sadly, all business will deal with this in future. <~Leo> it's many many more things over an 18 month period